Congratulations to smart USA - 10,009 total for 2012 and 60,361 total for the first 5 years.  Looking forward to the next generation of smarts!

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Smart is gradually gaining acceptance as a "real" car"....They are increasingly popular in Phoenix...Buys are heavily influenced by increasing gasoline prices...People no longer sneer that I am driving a circus clown car...

Ford has developed a 3 cylinder "ecoboost" turbo engine that gives about our current mpg, but with 123 horsepower and 148 foot pounds of torque...Such an option on the Smart would transform it into a high performance  (fast) car and make me trade in my weak 70 horsepower Smart...It would be the fastest micro car on the market (about 14 pounds weight per one horspower) and attract tremendous sales...Certainly more sales than the lame electric Smart will ever attract...Smart marketing has been pretty dumb...

Wait a second, you just went from praising the smart car in one post a few days ago to slamming it.  (??)

Keep in mind that our smart was designed years ago and our engine was installed in 2008.  Ford's engine is many years later.

The next gen fortwo will be a Daimler-Renault collaboration (no secret) and it may be more than a coincidence that Renault introduced a new 3 cylinder turbo engine at the 2012 Geneva Motor Show.  The Energy TCe 90 engine has variable valve timing and a low inertia turbocharger, producing 90 hp at 5,000 rpm and torque of 135 Nm [100 lb-ft] from 900cc, as opposed to the 1.0 liter 3 cylinder Ford Ecoboost engine.  If the 453 fortwo keeps the weight down there should be plenty of performance, especially if the rumored dual clutch transmission makes it into production.    



jwight said:

The fortwo will be a Daimler-Renault collaboration (no secret) and it may be more than a coincidence that Renault introduced a new 3 cylinder turbo engine at the 2012 Geneva Motor Show.  The Energy TCe 90 engine has variable valve timing and a low inertia turbocharger, producing 90 hp at 5,000 rpm and torque of 135 Nm [100 lb-ft] from 900cc, as opposed to the 1.0 liter 3 cylinder Ford Ecoboost engine.  If the 453 fortwo keeps the weight down there should be plenty of performance, especially if the rumored dual clutch transmission makes it into production.    

stout said                This should be sufficient IF the turbo engine option comes to the USA, THIS TIME...A $1,500 turbo engine option makes more sense than a $9,000 ED option with minimal effective range...



Kamaal said:

Wait a second, you just went from praising the in one post a few days ago to slamming it.  (??)

Keep in mind that our smart was designed years ago and our engine was installed in 2008.  Ford's engine is many years later.

stout said            If Smart corporate managers were half as good as the car, they would sell 100,000 a year...Delays in offering a cruise control and a turbo engine options, while pushing an ED without sufficient range all indicate our managers are incompetent... A transmission was needed to please most customers since 2008, and Smart may do something about it in 2014, six years later...

The total capacity of the smartville plant is rumored to be around 150K cars.  Since that plant has to supply the entire world smart fortwo market it's a real stretch to think 1) the plant could supply 100K cars exclusively to the U.S., and 2) the U. S. market would actually take 100K cars.  The most optimistic figure from Roger Penske in 2007 was 15K fortwo sales a year; the current Mercedes/smart USA team seems to have settled on 10K fortwo sales annually.


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Kamaal said:

Wait a second, you just went from praising the in one post a few days ago to slamming it.  (??)

Keep in mind that our smart was designed years ago and our engine was installed in 2008.  Ford's engine is many years later.

stout said            If Smart corporate managers were half as good as the car, they would sell 100,000 a year...Delays in offering a cruise control and a turbo engine options, while pushing an ED without sufficient range all indicate our managers are incompetent... A transmission was needed to please most customers since 2008, and Smart may do something about it in 2014, six years later...

Manufacturers CAFE penalties will encourage Mercedes to import more Smarts...The Mercedes buyers may reject the hybrids and  small diesels...However, I admit that100,000 was irrational exurberance...

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