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Trail Ridge Road?

Started by Sandy Anderson. Last reply by Russell Glissmann Aug 23, 2013. 4 Replies

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Comment by Steve and Pam Campbell on May 13, 2013 at 8:55pm

Thanks all....:)

Jill, Pam called several auto stores looking to get a "free scan", and they told her they would not do one, as the codes would be "meaningless" to her, thinking she's an idiot. They instead quoted her the prices for their own diagnostic tests!

We were looking at a Scan gauge a long time ago, but never purchased one. Now, it looks like this Ultra gauge is the way to go, so we'll pick one of these up. We use the site Fuelly to track our mileage, but I'd much rather have a gauge like this to trouble shoot any other problems down the road, and to track our mpg and such...

Comment by Jill Hobbs on May 13, 2013 at 8:44pm
You can also reset the codes by unhooking the battery for 10 minutes. That won't get rid of the cause. If it was the gas cap the check engine light should stay off. Your best bet is to go to an auto parts store and have them read the code. Then give the code to Ed, who should be able to tell what the code means. Good luck.
Comment by Ed Glassgow on May 13, 2013 at 8:24pm
As a matter of not knowing the specific issue I will not quote the purge valve. I don't want to quote you a price on something unless I am absolutely positive it will fix your problem. I am sorry I can't be more help than that at this time.
Comment by toes on May 13, 2013 at 8:21pm

Steve and Pam. Yes, it's Tobias and yes it's the purge valve, and yes it's disappointing. You can read a whole slew of comments regarding this on the scoa forums. My check engine light has come on twice in the 5 years I've had the car and after a reset it's been fine. No other detectable symptoms in terms of the car running rough or anything, so I am getting to an "ignore it" mode. The first time it freaked me out (it is the "check engine" light after all). Now I am just listening as to whether there are any noticeable strange noises or behaviors of the car. The last time (a few weeks ago I used the ultragauge to delete the code and it seemed to not be working initially, but the next day it was off again and has stayed off - knock on wood). These are the blessings of modern cars with fully sealed gas tank systems. FWIW, I always click the tank lid multiple times to make sure it is completely shut. I had a driver seat belt sensor failure, which required a seatbelt replacement (kind of like the rain sensor replacement when getting a new windshield) - otherwise it's a great little car. Another one of those pet peeve sensors is the tire pressure monitoring system -- what a pain in the ... :) Pushing the reset button a lot when the weather changes --

Comment by Steve and Pam Campbell on May 13, 2013 at 8:08pm

Wow...thanks toes, or as I recall, it's Tobias? Forgive me if I'm wrong here...

This gauge looks like a better one actually than the Scan Gauge, so thanks for the info and link! We'll probably go with this one for sure...

So, I assume by valve, meaning this "purge valve"? If so, can Ed perhaps give a cost on this please? If it is a valve or part on the car of some kind, still a bit disappointing this would go down on a 3 yr old car with 32,000 miles!

Comment by jwight on May 13, 2013 at 8:06pm

"It's just a bit much to have a dealer or auto parts store, or auto service center charge $50-$100 for the diagnostics just to get the code,..."   The auto parts stores will read the codes for free.

Comment by toes on May 13, 2013 at 6:53pm

Addition: The windshield mount is $9.00 extra, but it is well worth it (suction cup and goose neck). The gauge itself is $70.


Comment by toes on May 13, 2013 at 6:48pm

Steve and Pam, The gas cap is actually probably not the culprit (and not as Russ stated the most common cause). It appears that the most common cause is the faulty valve. Also: Error codes do not automatically reset once the problem is fixed, it takes a reset through the OBDII port. If you are looking at a more competitive option for a gauge that displays codes and other useful (customizable) info (such as lifetime mpg, etc.), check out this one (I am not affiliated, but I have owned one for a few years now and keep it permanently plugged in and it comes with a nice windshield mount - I put mine in the bottom left corner on the windshield):


Comment by Steve and Pam Campbell on May 13, 2013 at 6:41pm

Thanks Russ and Ed! Ed, as I recall, I think we've talked to you once out at MB Westminster. I completely understand about not knowing what code and error the scan might show. Tis why we're thinking of the purchase of the Scan Gauge II so again, we can run our own diagnostics to see what error code pops up. It's just a bit much to have a dealer or auto parts store, or auto service center charge $50-$100 for the diagnostics just to get the code, then any repair and labor cost on top of that when one is on a fixed income....:)

Russ, I tried the gas cap last night to see if it might be that, and the light was still on steadily this morning. I'll report if it's on this evening. I know in older cars there was such a thing as "vapor lock". Could this be possible on the car, or a bad batch of gasoline causing this light?

I know what the standard warranties are. We did get the extended warranty...

I did check all the Smart forums, but again, a lot of these posts concerning the check engine light are from way back in 2008, and there were 5 possibilities that I saw. Anyway, thanks for the link to the convention, and the response about the gas cap!

Can you please let me know if there is a meet at the Wildlife place? I assume we're talking about the one on Lincoln between Lone Tree and Parker?

Comment by Ed Glassgow on May 13, 2013 at 5:13pm
Yes, we cannot give you an estimate over the phone as right this second we are as in the dark as you are as to what the cause is. We don't know what fault code you have and there are many different items that can cause a check engine light.

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